51 “of 5 cm” in the right thigh.”185 Likewise, in Dr. Tramsen’s and Dr. Tidball-Binz’s opinion, it was indicated that “[i]n the center of the upper lateral side of [Mr. Montiel Flores’] right thigh, [there is] a 5 centimeter long and 3 centimeter wide subcutaneous tumor with no skin depigmentation. There is no sensitivity in this area.”186 On the other hand, regarding Mr. Cabrera Garcia, they certified that “in the left thigh, there is a 3 centimeter long and 2 centimeter wide subcutaneous tumor.”187 Expert witness Gutiérrez Hernández did not refer to the alleged electrical shocks. Also, the Court notes that in the declaration before notary public rendered by expert witness José Quiroga, he mentioned the decreased sensitivity in Mr. Montiel Flores’ thigh.188 129. About the alleged blows to different parts of their bodies and threats, Messrs. Cabrera and Montiel described different moments in which these had happened.189 Most of the tests conducted by the Mexican authorities in relation to the integrity of the alleged victims found that their physical condition was good or normal (supra paras. 115 to 117). Nevertheless, the expert opinion of Messrs. Tramsen and Tidball-Binz concluded that the victims presented scars and pain located in different parts of their bodies.190 Regarding this type of arguments and evidence related to the pain caused by some blows and the effect of threats, expert witness Gutiérrez Hernández indicated that “pain […] is a subjective piece of information that cannot be seen.”191 Regarding this affirmation, this Tribunal refers 185 Cf. Direct medical examination of Messrs. Cabrera and Montiel of October 7, 2001, supra note 159, folio 1734. 186 Cf. Physicians for Human Rights- Denmark. The case of Messrs. Cabrera and Montiel, supra note 165, folio 8380. 187 Cf. Physicians for Human Rights- Denmark. The case of Messrs. Cabrera and Montiel, supra note 165, folio 8381. 188 Cf. Expert report rendered by expert witness Jose Quiroga before a public notary, supra note 173, folio 1327. 189 In his sworn statement before public notary, Mr. Cabrera García indicated the following: a)“they kicked [them], they hit [him] with the rifle on the ear;” b) “they hit [him] in the ribs, they threw [him], and then hit [him] on the buttocks, and told [him] ‘but at night, there would be good things’”; c) “they poured sparkling water in [his] nostrils, they pulled [him by] the hair, and d) “they placed [him] lengthwise, they picked [him] up and they placed [him] again forming a cross.”.” Cf. Statement rendered by Mr. Teodoro Cabrera Garcia before the public notary, supra note 147, folios 1192 to 1194. Moreover, in his statement before the Tribunal at the public hearing held in the instant case, Mr. Montiel Flores pointed out, inter alia, that: a) the day of the arrest, “a soldier rapidly pulled [him] by the hair, threw [him] on the ground, and once [he] was already lying on the ground, he dragged [him] by the hand, like for four or five meters, he took [him] to the riverbank, there he put his boot on [his] chest and the firearm’s muzzle on [his] head, at the bottom of the nape and he told [him] that he was going to blow [his] head off with a single gunshot, then they did the same to Teodoro, they tied [them] with [their] hands behind [them] and they made [them] cross the river, once the river was crossed they bound [their] feet […] on the beachside under the sun and they made [them] lie face-up, they would not allow [them] […] to sit, [they] were only lying face-down or face-up, and so it was a torment for [them]”; b) on the following day, “at night they made [them] form a cross with [their] own bodies, at the four cardinal points, they were turning [their] heads; after [they] formed the cross, they blindfolded [them], they untied [their] feet and [made them] cross the river, they took [them] to another place, when [they] got there, they took [their] blindfolds off, [he] could see that there were other men there.” Afterwards, “they shone a very blue light in [his] face and they told [him] in a shrill voice to look at the light.”.” Then, “they blindfolded [him] and dragged [him]; they leaned on [his] shoulders and dropped with his knees down on [his] stomach; c) At the 40th Battalion, “they continued to torture [them] while beating [them] with sticks.” “At night, they took [them] to a room […], there they hit [them] again, they put [them] in a vehicle […], they made [them] get down again, they threatened [them] again and they piled up bags on [them] and they climbed on top […] of [them], they stuck their weapons in [their] heads and took [them] away, [telling them] that they were taking [them] to jail.”.” Cf. Statement rendered by Mr. Rodolfo Montiel Flores at the public hearing, supra note 177. 190 Cf. Physicians for Human Rights- Denmark. The case of Messrs. Cabrera and Montiel, supra note 165, folios 8380 and 8341. 191 Cf. Expert opinion rendered by expert witness Juana Ma. Gutiérrez Hernández at the public hearing, supra note 162.